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Chris Droessler
6 years agoRespected Contributor
Play video embedded in PowerPoint and mix multiple computers and cameras to a GoToWebinar -
Have you ever wanted to play a video embedded in a PowerPoint file through GoToWebinar but can't because the audience sees a jumpy video with a low frame rate?
Or you want to show off a computer program or game that has both audio and video and show that to a GoToWebinar audience.
Do you want to use real cameras with GoToWebinar, not those cheap webcams?
GoTo has a feature to upload five videos to playback during a webinar, but that process is limited to only five videos and the process is a little clunky with too much down time in the webinar while switching to and from the video. And using the GoTo process, not everyone is watching the video at the same time, so some are still watching the video when others have completed.
I have found a solution to this and can now show any video I want, whenever I want, to my GoToWebinar audience. The video can be embedded in a PowerPoint file so you can easily transition from a static slide to a video and back to more slides without having to use the official GoTo video player. You can play any number of videos in a webinar and even seamlessly switch between multiple computers or other video sources.
I just purchased the ATEM Mini from Blackmagic Design. On the surface it appears to be a small four-input camera switcher for $295, but the special feature is that it outputs a webcam signal, which makes full-motion video through GoToWebinar possible.
I am using the ATEM Mini right out of the box. I did not load the additional software that comes with it. Apparently, the extra software contains lots of extra features that you might use in a TV studio environment. Not just video features, but lots of audio features as well. It is all documented in the 100-page PDF manual. (The English part is 100 pages, the other 1100 pages are other languages.)
One trick to this is that you now need two computers to run your GoToWebinar. You will play back the PowerPoint, videos, programs, games, etc. from one computer. The second computer will do nothing but send your signal to the GoToWebinar.
The ATEM Mini has four HDMI inputs. These inputs can be computers, cameras, DVD players, game controllers, or anything else with a HDMI output. Pushing the buttons on the switcher will determine which of these four inputs is sent to the second computer to be sent to the GoToWebinar audience.
I started my test by running the PowerPoint and video from a 10-year old MacBook Pro computer. I have only a VGA dongle for this computer, so I used that for my output, then ran it through a cheap VGA to HDMI converter. After some experimentation, I found that setting the resolution on the computer to 1920x1080 worked the best. I was surprised this old computer had a setting that high.
The second computer is much newer and has only two USB-C connectors. This computer will be sending my program to the GoToWebinar.
The ATEM Mini has two outputs. An HDMI output you can connect to a video monitor, projector, etc. and a USB-C connector that outputs a webcam signal. I connected this USB output to my second computer using a USB-C to USB-C cable.
On the second computer, start up the GoToWebinar like usual, except you never share your screen. You only share your webcam, and in the GoTo webcam preferences you should see the Blackmagicdesigns listed as a webcam.
Now, anything that comes out of the ATEM Mini will be seen by GoTo as a webcam, and your GoTo audience will see full motion video of whatever you send through the switcher.
On the ATEM Mini you can easily switch between four inputs that can be computers, cameras, etc. You can do a hard cut between the inputs, create a short fade/dissolve between the inputs, or do any number of special transitions that you see only on sports programs. If you wish, audio can switch along with the video.
The first input on the ATEM Mini sets the resolution of the video output. The other three inputs will be scaled to match the first input. The optional software lets you set the output resolution independently of the actual source material.
I hooked up my first computer to input 1 and two cameras to inputs 2 and 3. (I have two video camcorders that have mini-HDMI outputs.) I then moved the computer to input 2, camera to input 1, and found it worked well either way.
Now I can run a PowerPoint on the first computer and can have videos embedded in the PowerPoint. The output of that computer goes through the ATEM Mini switcher and is seen by the second computer as a webcam, and seen by the GoTo audience as full-motion video.
This ATEM Mini switcher has a picture-in-picture mode where you can have the main image on the screen and a small image of a different input in one of the four corners. The default is the camera for the small image on input 1, with your computer on any of the other inputs. Unfortunately, the default size of the small image is too small, but the manual says this size can be adjusted in the software that I did not load.
There is a chroma-key feature, like how they do TV weather, but I did not try it. If the camera is on a person standing in front of a green wall, then it could look like they were standing in front of the image on your computer, or other video playback connected to the ATEM Mini. Someday I'll play with that feature.
The optional software will let you upload static images to your ATEM Mini, so that you can switch between the four live inputs or select a stored still image, like your company logo.
I was impressed with the video quality. While it is not exactly full motion video due to the limitations of the GoTo webcam feature, it is good enough for most folks, and night-and-day better from what you get just trying to run a video through GoToWebinar without this extra switcher.
And speaking of audio, the audio from the first computer can pass though the switcher or be switched at the switcher and output to the second computer and appear as the audio from your webcam. Thus, anything your play on the first computer, both audio and video, can be broadcast to the GoTo audience. The switcher will input audio from the four HDMI inputs as well as two additional audio inputs and send them to the second computer and on to the GoToWebinar. The optional software has an extensive array of audio filters to sweeten up the audio.
I then swapped the two computers, so now I have the newer computer playing the PowerPoint into the switcher and the older one running the GoToWebinar.
This required a USB-C to USB-A cable, since the new computer has USB-C input and the old computer has USB-A connectors. The ATEM Mini switcher has a USB-C connector as its output.
The new computer is set to output 1080p resolution and syncs to the switcher just fine. I run the GoToWebinar from the older computer and everything behaves just like the other way around.
I have been monitoring this GoToWebinar test through a desktop Mac computer logged in as an attendee. On both this computer as well as the recording of the webinar, I am quite happy with the results. The only limitation is the frame rate of the GoToWebinar webcam feature, which appears to be a little less than 29 frames per second, but probably won’t be noticed by most of the webinar audience. Maybe GoTo can up that rate in the future.
I think that most people who need to show videos or use better cameras in their GoToWebinars will be happy with the quality of the ATEM Mini. It allows you to up the quality of your webinars giving them a more professional look.
11 Feb Second Update - The desktop apps for GTT and GTM won't work with the ATEM unless you can find an "IT Professional" who can whitelist certain ports in Windows 10 systems to allow them to receive video for GTT and GTM. In other words, unless you want to screw with your registry files in hopes of making GTT or GTM work, you might want to investigate other web conference providers that just treat the ATEM Mini like a webcam. (It looks like Chris was using a Mac, so it looks like Macs don't have this problem)
11 Feb Update - this post was marked as an answer too soon. Got the ATEM Mini, and it works with everything EXCEPT GoToTraining and GoToMeeting. Support is telling me that the ATEM is "too professional" for GoToTraining and it only supports simple webcams. Still trying to make it work, but not looking good. This could be a deal breaker for GTT going forward.
ORIGINAL POST:
Thank you - this is really helpful. I ordered an ATEM Mini earlier this week and am eagerly awaiting its arrival. This device will do a lot to make my GoToTraining sessions a lot more professional. I've been frustrated a long time by the inability to zoom smoothly and control the focus of webcams, and now I can use a real camera to capture my video.
84 Replies
- Kim_Theill6 years agoActive Contributor
Hi
We have an account manage in logmein, and I contacted them about this issue
This is their reply
"I asked to our technicians and they told me:
- Seems the Atem Mini Pro from Balckmagic is looking for a video 1080p signal from the webcam, but G2M/W is only providing a 640x480 signal, at best. The issue of having a higher resolution for G2M/W/T is not a new issue, and there's been road map slides about up'ing the resolution."
- gmacnv6 years agoActive Contributor
Chris
A lot of us don't have 'video production company-like' knowledge and skills like you do or the financial resources to go down the route you took. Guess I'm forced to wait and see if LogMeIn will ever respond to my PPT embedded video fix request. Still no word from LogMeIn....not looking good. Stay healthy.
gmacnv
- gerardso6 years agoNew Contributor
Thanks for sharing
- Chris Droessler6 years agoRespected Contributor
Back to the original point in this discussion.
We have found that the ATEM Mini works with Macintosh computers and GoToMeeting and GoToWebinar, but does not work with GoTo programs if you have a Windows computer.
When using with a Mac, the image coming into the GoTo is cropped (the edges are cut off). I played around with this by running PowerPoint on computer 1 and sending that image through the ATEM Mini to a second computer that was running/presenting the GoToWebinar.
I was using the standard 4:3 ratio in PowerPoint, which gives you a 10" wide by 7.5" tall slide. I found that if I embed a video in the PowerPoint slide, I had to size it to be 9" wide. This meant 1/2 inch unused space to the right and left of the video image. Despite the slide being 10" wide, GoTo crops the image and broadcasts only 9" wide. The GoTo Attendees see this 9" wide as full width of the GoTo viewer.
Thus if you do set up a GoTo where PowerPoint and video from the first computer goes through the ATEM Mini to the second/Presentation computer, fooling GoTo to think this is a webcam, you have to include a half-inch border around the material on the slides.
This is not as apparent when you are really showing your webcam rather than using this trick to use an external source as your GoTo webcam. When showing your webcam, most folks would not notice that that the entire webcam image is not really shown.
This is only true for GoTo. For some reason they crop the edges of the webcam input. Other programs that use a webcam don't seem to do this. The ATEM community has tried the ATEM Mini with other computer programs, and have found that only GoTo crops the image.
Rather than redoing all of my slides on the first computer to allow an unused 1/2" border, I still run my regular PowerPoint on my main computer that is Presenting the GoToWebinar. I am also showing the "webcam," which is really showing a black slide from the first computer.
When I get to the point in my slide show when I need to show the video, I press the Stop Sharing Screen button, change my audio input to Blackmagic (the name that GoTo sees for the ATEM Mini) and I advance to the next slide on the other computer. At this point, the output from the ATEM Mini is now full screen on the Attendee's computer. I have already set up that PowerPoint file to be a black slide, then the next slide is also black but with a 9" wide video that plays automatically when I get to that slide.
When the video is over, on the Presenter computer I click to share my screen and change the audio back to my microphone. I find I can do this faster than I can get one of the cloud videos to play. This also eliminates the limit of five videos per webinar.
I could make this even easier and connect my microphone to the ATEM Mini ,and then I would only have to Stop Sharing my Screen when I want to show the video. I could then use the Mute button on the ATEM Mini to control my microphone rather than the Mute button in GoTo.
Hopefully GoTo will look into this and figure out why the ATEM Mini works with all other programs but does strange things with GoTo. Cropping the webcam input is something that needs a defeat button.
- Kim_Theill6 years agoActive ContributorHi
Does anyone know if it will be possible to use the Atem mini pro with gtw/ gtm instead of Atem mini - Amnon_Ron6 years agoActive ContributorAgree with you, no perfect solution and GTW is not bad. Just don't know how to solve our oversubscribed event! I guess running 2 in parallel is the only option with GTW.
- Chris Droessler6 years agoRespected Contributor
I've been using GoToWebinar for 11 years. I have tried lots of other products. My wife teaches classes daily through Zoom. I am in a Zoom meeting just about every morning (I'm in one now waiting for it to start). Where I work, the corporate solution is Skype, so it was not easy to convince them that we needed GoTo, and I have to convince them every year when it is time to renew.
Features we could not live without are the registration system and Attendee reports. Also the ease of recording and having the recording available after the webinar. Most of the time GoTo is used to support a federaly funded educational program where we must document everything to keep the funds flowing.
No webinar system is perfect. They all have their pluses and minuses. Through the years we have found workarounds for many lacking features in GoTo, and many of those features have been added to the program over time.
- Amnon_Ron6 years agoActive Contributor
Hi Chris,
Thank you for your very helpful response, you are a true pro!
Can I ask how long you have been using GTW, and have you ever tried any other webinar platforms. I appreciate the stability of GTW but many things seem a bit outdated and limiting when it comes to really interactive engagement.
Zoom is obviously very popular and I know they can 'play' computer audio which allows playing videos directly from the broadcasting computer. Was wondering about others.
Thanks again for all your help!!!
Amnon
- Chris Droessler6 years agoRespected Contributor
If you reach the max, which for you would be 3,001 for to total of Attendees, Panelists, and Organizers, then people will get a message that the webinar is full. As people drop out, others can take their place. The maximum at any one time is 3,001 for everyone on the webinar. Even with people leaving and new people replacing them, the maximum of all users that can connect throughout the webinar is 130 percent, which for you would be 3,900 unique users.
Unfortunately, GoTo is not set up to play music due to the software that is reducing background sounds behind the person talking. See my physics lesson about this here:
I have requested they add a button that would allow us to defeat this audio filter to allow us to play music that sounds like music.
- Amnon_Ron6 years agoActive Contributor
Thanks!
For some reason im not able to get the sound going through the Elgato HD60s HDMI connection. I am connected through the audio jack - spoken word works just fine, music seems to be an issue (not sure why this is). Any ideas?
Also, we have an webinar coming up with ~10,000 people (way more than expected) our limit is 3,000) is this the max as far as you know? Anything that can be done? I was thinking of opening an overflow room but not sure how it will work.
BTW what happens if the limit is reached? Will it kick people out or not let people in???
Thanks!!!